Inside the Alex Jones jury room: tensions, pizza and ‘lizard people’

As the jury within the Alex Jones defamation trial gathered in a convention room in a Texas courthouse on Aug. 5 to resolve how a lot the U.S. conspiracy theorist owed to 2 dad and mom of a murdered Sandy Hook first-grader, sums at first ranged from $500,000 to $200 million, a juror informed Reuters.

“We saw those numbers on the board and someone said, ‘Well, I guess we’re never leaving this room,’” mentioned Sharon, a juror who requested that her final identify be withheld as a result of she fears harassment by Jones’ followers.

Sharon, the primary juror to talk publicly in regards to the case, wrote her most popular quantity on a strip of paper and handed it to the entrance. One lady pooled everybody’s votes and wrote them on a whiteboard. Sharon declined to share her quantity with Reuters.

Reuters was in a position to receive contact info for 2 different members of the 12-person jury panel. One declined to remark and one other didn’t reply to inquiries.

Because the decide overseeing the case had in September already discovered Jones chargeable for defamation and intentional infliction of emotional misery for claiming the killing of 20 kids and 6 workers members on the college in Newtown, Connecticut, was staged, the one query dealing with the jurors within the two-week trial was how a lot cash he needed to pay.

The high-profile trial was prompted by Jones’ bogus claims that the capturing was a part of a authorities plot to confiscate Americans’ firearms and that the victims’ households had been complicit within the scheme. He repeatedly aired the claims on his media outlet Infowars, which is owned by Free Speech Systems LLC. Jones has since acknowledged the capturing occurred.

The Texas case was introduced by Neil Heslin and Scarlett Lewis, whose 6-year-old son Jesse Lewis was murdered within the capturing. Jones is awaiting trial over damages in two different Sandy Hook instances wherein he has additionally been discovered liable.

TOO NERVOUS TO EAT

The deliberation room within the Depression-era Austin courthouse was a decent match, and a few jurors needed to sit in chairs alongside the wall, Sharon mentioned. Over Domino’s pizza, the panel wrestled for practically seven hours with the query of how a lot in punitive damages to award the dad and mom, Sharon mentioned, although she was too nervous to eat. The vote on such damages, which are supposed to punish defendants for his or her conduct, was required to be unanimous.

The plaintiffs’ attorneys had requested for $150 million.

The earlier day, the identical panel after about 5 hours of deliberations had voted 10-2 that Jones should pay $4.1 million in compensatory damages. Those damages are supposed to cowl the plaintiffs’ struggling and losses and required solely a majority of jurors to agree.

The decide, Maya Guerra Gamble, required the jury to individually resolve the 2 varieties of damages.

Sharon, a mom of two who works within the nonprofit sector, mentioned she and her friends struggled to reach at both determine. There was stress throughout deliberations over whether or not greenback values might even be assigned to the summary idea of emotional struggling, Sharon mentioned.

At first, some jurors had been skeptical that Heslin and Lewis had been entitled to any compensatory damages in any respect. The two dad and mom had testified that followers of Jones and his Infowars web site harassed and despatched them loss of life threats for years within the false perception that they had been actors mendacity in regards to the loss of life of their son.

“We all believed that Neil and Scarlett were credible,” Sharon mentioned. “There just weren’t tangible things behind their mental anguish, and we were asked to award between $1 and $150 million without any guidance.”

Heslin and Lewis couldn’t level to particular financial losses that they suffered due to Jones’ conduct, and neither facet’s attorneys provided clear recommendation on learn how to quantify the emotional misery that the conspiracy theorist precipitated them, Sharon mentioned.

For occasion, relatively than simply quantifiable monetary hurt, she mentioned, the dad and mom spoke about much less measurable varieties of anguish, corresponding to sleepless nights and flashbacks to the day of the capturing.

Jurors didn’t give a lot credence to the dad and mom’ attorneys request: $1 for each one of many 24% of Americans who doubt or don’t consider Sandy Hook occurred, Sharon mentioned. The determine was based mostly on a single ballot, and jurors didn’t assume that was sufficient proof to justify the $150 million that the dad and mom sought, Sharon mentioned.

Instead, they calculated the damages based mostly on their very own formulation, and by the tip of the afternoon, the room resembled a math classroom, she mentioned.

Mark Bankston, an lawyer for the dad and mom, informed Reuters in an e mail on Sunday that “in a case with no concrete losses or economic damages, the fact that the jury was prepared to award a multimillion verdict speaks volumes.”

Jones’ lawyer, Federico Andino Reynal, informed Reuters on Sunday that he was “pleased” with how the jurors assessed the proof, however he nonetheless believed the award was too excessive.

RAISED VOICES

Sharon mentioned she knew little about Jones earlier than trial. She described herself as a left-leaning average however mentioned she doesn’t observe political information carefully.

At first she was even amused by a few of the clips of Jones’ present performed through the trial, corresponding to ones wherein an agitated Jones railed in opposition to nefarious plots by a solid of villains together with “lizard people,” she mentioned. But conspiracies vilifying dad and mom of slain first-graders had been totally different, she mentioned.

“To say these things about this terrible tragedy — elementary school kids being murdered — it’s just different than if you want to believe in lizard people,” she mentioned.

Jurors managed to maintain politics out of the dialogue, however because the day dragged on, there have been raised voices and stress over whether or not one might put a worth on psychological anguish. Eventually they arrived at $4.1 million whole in compensatory damages, apportioning totally different quantities for every guardian in accordance with the jury’s evaluation of their previous and current struggling. There was a present of palms, and all however two jurors joined in, Sharon mentioned.

Punitive damages had been more easy, she mentioned, because the group instantly agreed Jones and Infowars ought to be punished. They disagreed, nevertheless on how extreme the punishment ought to be.

Sharon mentioned jurors determined to award punitive damages price 10% of Jones’ web price per guardian. Jones is price between $130 million and $270 million, a plaintiffs’ skilled testified. The jurors’ punitive damages verdict was $45.2 million.

That award might wind up being slashed by the decide to as little as 10% due to a Texas regulation that caps punitive damages, authorized consultants mentioned.

Reynal mentioned on Sunday that punitive damages ought to be diminished to $1.5 million beneath the cap.

Lawyers for the dad and mom informed Reuters they’ll argue the cap doesn’t apply.

Free Speech Systems filed for chapter in Texas halfway via the trial. A bunch of Sandy Hook dad and mom intervened within the case and requested a decide to freeze the corporate’s belongings to stop Jones from funneling money to totally different entities.

The verdict has symbolic worth, however it doesn’t change the underlying societal issues that make Jones’ conspiratorial pondering interesting to so many, she mentioned.

“Nobody was super happy with it,” she mentioned of the decision.